1 00:00:35,500 --> 00:00:40,280 One of the lessons that young artists can take away from my creative journey is 2 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,602 this is that you shoot best what is close to you. 3 00:00:45,677 --> 00:00:49,564 And if you don’t love what you photograph, then your work won’t turn out good. 4 00:01:03,522 --> 00:01:08,292 I have the utmost respect for people who travel the world to create, 5 00:01:08,412 --> 00:01:12,636 and photographing beautiful Indians against the background of linen fabrics, 6 00:01:12,756 --> 00:01:17,508 but the basis of my creativity has always been the attempt to find beauty in the everyday and ordinary. 7 00:01:30,842 --> 00:01:34,449 It never occurred to me to leave home to engage in creativity. 8 00:01:41,125 --> 00:01:45,125 WHAT WILL REMAIN 9 00:01:50,100 --> 00:01:53,100 Mann Family Estate Lexington, Virginia 10 00:02:13,004 --> 00:02:15,004 - Hello baby! Place! 11 00:02:15,058 --> 00:02:17,058 - Place! Good dog! 12 00:02:24,545 --> 00:02:27,545 - Oh, great! Just look at the sun! 13 00:02:35,309 --> 00:02:37,059 When I was about six 14 00:02:37,179 --> 00:02:39,505 my father gave me the book “Art is Everywhere.” 15 00:02:40,105 --> 00:02:41,857 Sally Mann, photographer 16 00:02:42,431 --> 00:02:46,837 It was one of those children's books, you know, where they tell you to crawl under the tablecloth 17 00:02:46,957 --> 00:02:50,782 on the dining room table looking for crumbs of interesting shapes, and so on, 18 00:02:50,902 --> 00:02:54,627 just to learn to appreciate the simple things that surround us on a daily basis. 19 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,116 And you know, I guess I took it to heart, 20 00:02:59,881 --> 00:03:02,885 because I still remember this book, 21 00:03:03,005 --> 00:03:06,850 and everything that was said in it is still as close to me as it was in childhood. 22 00:03:08,865 --> 00:03:11,065 - This is no portrait! This is a photo of my estate! 23 00:03:11,185 --> 00:03:12,577 As always... 24 00:03:12,972 --> 00:03:15,695 - Dear, go with her a little on the road, 25 00:03:16,918 --> 00:03:18,994 about five feet ahead... 26 00:03:21,168 --> 00:03:24,937 People often ask if I mind being filmed all the time? 27 00:03:25,371 --> 00:03:26,752 Larry Mann, husband 28 00:03:27,981 --> 00:03:30,661 You know, Sally always had a camera in her hands, 29 00:03:30,781 --> 00:03:33,061 almost from the moment we met. 30 00:03:33,996 --> 00:03:37,604 And now I'm so used to the fact that this is her way of seeing the world, 31 00:03:37,724 --> 00:03:40,222 that when we walk or go somewhere together, 32 00:03:40,342 --> 00:03:43,700 I guess from her face when she sees the frame. 33 00:03:44,141 --> 00:03:45,733 I see it in her face... 34 00:03:48,205 --> 00:03:49,986 This is how her mind works... 35 00:03:50,487 --> 00:03:51,974 - Tell her to prick up her ears!.. 36 00:03:53,328 --> 00:03:55,432 This is how she sees the world - in photographs. 37 00:03:57,122 --> 00:03:59,455 - Eat! Let me come closer. 38 00:04:04,012 --> 00:04:06,015 — What distinguishes a mother, in my opinion, 39 00:04:06,135 --> 00:04:09,790 it's that she can take a simple thing, which I find ordinary and uninteresting, 40 00:04:09,892 --> 00:04:11,140 Virginia Mann, daughter 41 00:04:11,420 --> 00:04:15,219 and take a photo in which I can see the inner beauty of this thing. 42 00:04:16,863 --> 00:04:19,752 - I want to take a picture of you against the backdrop of the mountain... 43 00:04:21,546 --> 00:04:24,211 So you'll have to step back a little... 44 00:04:26,164 --> 00:04:28,278 “She just sees something and knows: 45 00:04:28,398 --> 00:04:30,512 it's not just like that, it's something special. 46 00:04:30,792 --> 00:04:32,529 Emmett Mann, son 47 00:04:33,086 --> 00:04:34,603 - Hey, here! Like this! 48 00:04:36,737 --> 00:04:39,211 Eh, once again, she turned her head. 49 00:04:40,786 --> 00:04:43,157 She sees something she doesn't want to forget. 50 00:04:46,788 --> 00:04:48,512 - Eat! Great, well done! 51 00:05:07,135 --> 00:05:09,525 In William Carlos Williams, one of my favorite poets, 52 00:05:09,645 --> 00:05:11,869 there was a concept of “one’s place.” 53 00:05:11,989 --> 00:05:14,992 In his work this is a separate concept. 54 00:05:16,625 --> 00:05:18,407 And I agree with him. 55 00:05:21,175 --> 00:05:23,840 "My Place" consists of two parts: 56 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,187 my family and my estate. 57 00:05:27,832 --> 00:05:30,653 I find solace in them when I'm having a hard time 58 00:05:30,773 --> 00:05:33,662 and, of course, inspiration for everything I do. 59 00:05:37,061 --> 00:05:40,667 The name Sally Mann has become familiar international audience in 1992 60 00:05:40,787 --> 00:05:44,481 after the publication of a series of children's photographs "Immediate Relatives" 61 00:05:47,226 --> 00:05:49,434 Mann family summer house, 1990 62 00:05:55,405 --> 00:05:58,527 I wasn't trying to manipulate anyone at all. 63 00:05:59,418 --> 00:06:02,921 It was just an emotional reaction on things that are important to me. 64 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,307 One day Jessie came home with a wasp sting on his face, 65 00:06:08,427 --> 00:06:11,475 it was huge, like a bruise, as if she had been beaten. 66 00:06:13,142 --> 00:06:15,249 Before that, I always thought he was children 67 00:06:15,369 --> 00:06:17,851 as material for exclusively family “photos”. 68 00:06:17,971 --> 00:06:19,621 But at that moment I was amazed: 69 00:06:19,741 --> 00:06:22,784 right here, before my eyes, there was a finished picture, 70 00:06:22,904 --> 00:06:24,185 real picture. 71 00:06:24,523 --> 00:06:26,791 And I just put it against the wall and took a picture. 72 00:06:30,011 --> 00:06:31,380 That's when it all started 73 00:06:31,500 --> 00:06:33,580 from this realization that here, right under my nose, 74 00:06:33,700 --> 00:06:36,200 there is material for real creativity, which I had no idea about. 75 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,080 I began to see differently. 76 00:06:40,842 --> 00:06:42,385 - Virginia! 77 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,165 Go down another step... Slowly... 78 00:06:47,655 --> 00:06:49,350 Yes, that's it... Wait a second. 79 00:06:49,910 --> 00:06:52,368 With your right hand, this one, pull back your hair 80 00:06:52,488 --> 00:06:54,636 so that they are around you. 81 00:06:55,875 --> 00:06:57,670 Yes, yes, great! Good girl! 82 00:07:06,751 --> 00:07:10,541 I realized that my children each of them - 83 00:07:11,277 --> 00:07:14,104 very unusual personalities. 84 00:07:18,379 --> 00:07:21,259 When I took the first ten pictures, 85 00:07:21,379 --> 00:07:24,111 I was aware that these were good photographs, 86 00:07:24,231 --> 00:07:27,168 and many take good pictures, but don’t buy them, 87 00:07:27,288 --> 00:07:29,606 and they don't put it on the cover of the New York Times... 88 00:07:29,726 --> 00:07:32,249 But I knew that these were good, strong pictures, 89 00:07:32,369 --> 00:07:33,869 which have not been done before. 90 00:07:35,098 --> 00:07:38,409 A selection of her photographs was published as a book, which became an international bestseller. 91 00:07:38,529 --> 00:07:42,296 Her prints soared in price, and Time magazine called her "America's best photographer." 92 00:07:43,449 --> 00:07:46,222 While I was working on this series, 93 00:07:46,342 --> 00:07:49,550 in society, especially in religious and far-right circles, 94 00:07:49,670 --> 00:07:53,342 Another wave of the fight against child pornography was rising. 95 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,853 And when it collapsed, my works became one of the victims of this hysteria. 96 00:07:58,318 --> 00:08:00,284 HEADING: Sally Mann's photographs have excited society 97 00:08:00,682 --> 00:08:03,010 This controversy undoubtedly played a role 98 00:08:03,130 --> 00:08:05,589 in attracting attention to my work. 99 00:08:05,877 --> 00:08:08,999 HEADINGS: Can child porn be art? Art or abomination? 100 00:08:09,405 --> 00:08:12,976 As a result of this, my work was seen by many more people. 101 00:08:13,096 --> 00:08:15,828 I don't know... How to understand why people buy my prints, 102 00:08:15,948 --> 00:08:19,385 because of scandalous fame, or simply because they see something in them, 103 00:08:19,505 --> 00:08:20,932 what do they like?.. 104 00:08:21,743 --> 00:08:23,892 I'd like to think that for the second reason... 105 00:08:24,012 --> 00:08:26,120 But, be that as it may, they were well bought. 106 00:08:27,738 --> 00:08:30,918 I don't know, I have quite mixed feelings about that time... 107 00:08:31,723 --> 00:08:34,500 And if I had the opportunity to somehow relive this period again, 108 00:08:34,634 --> 00:08:37,269 I wouldn't want to become famous again this way, "through the back door." 109 00:08:38,083 --> 00:08:39,952 It helped me get through 110 00:08:40,072 --> 00:08:43,574 but it seems to me that worthy work should always get through, one way or another. 111 00:09:00,667 --> 00:09:04,101 In any series of works there comes a period when you reach a certain point, 112 00:09:04,221 --> 00:09:07,024 behind which everything goes as if automatically, 113 00:09:07,925 --> 00:09:11,051 and every shot turns out consistently good, 114 00:09:11,171 --> 00:09:15,187 and then you realize that with every photo you raise the bar for yourself... 115 00:09:16,341 --> 00:09:21,092 And if you take a very good photo, then the next one should be even better. 116 00:09:23,481 --> 00:09:26,415 Your creative path should only go upward... 117 00:09:27,243 --> 00:09:30,701 and nothing poses a greater danger to good works, 118 00:09:31,694 --> 00:09:33,882 than good works done earlier. 119 00:09:34,350 --> 00:09:37,611 All those good photos that were taken with such ease 120 00:09:37,731 --> 00:09:40,796 suddenly they begin to seem unattainable, and further creativity - impossible. 121 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,770 — The funny thing is, until you set up the camera, you won’t see the picture... 122 00:09:58,015 --> 00:10:01,004 You need to kind of introduce a camera into this environment... 123 00:10:02,119 --> 00:10:06,086 And then, I don’t know how, the photograph will reveal itself... Extremely strange. 124 00:10:17,117 --> 00:10:20,062 -Mmmm... Beauty!.. 125 00:10:35,796 --> 00:10:39,262 People always ask me why kids don't pose anymore 126 00:10:39,382 --> 00:10:41,679 but nothing like that happened... 127 00:10:42,296 --> 00:10:45,619 It's just that we've been taking these photos for ten years. 128 00:10:45,739 --> 00:10:49,017 and at some point everyone got tired of repeating the same thing. 129 00:10:49,427 --> 00:10:52,329 And I realized that I wanted to shoot landscapes. 130 00:10:58,301 --> 00:11:02,350 I somehow managed to transition quite smoothly from children to landscapes, 131 00:11:02,470 --> 00:11:05,438 the children in the photographs became smaller and smaller, 132 00:11:05,558 --> 00:11:09,293 until I started photographing landscapes with tiny figures of children somewhere in the corner... 133 00:11:10,311 --> 00:11:13,393 And pretty soon landscapes took center stage. 134 00:11:20,758 --> 00:11:24,869 There is magic in nature. The only question is whether I will be able to “catch” him. 135 00:11:26,622 --> 00:11:30,450 I tried to convey this childish feeling of nature 136 00:11:30,570 --> 00:11:35,145 like something moist, cozy, like a mother’s womb. 137 00:11:38,097 --> 00:11:41,600 When I was little, I made caves for myself in the honeysuckle bushes, 138 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,744 and practically lived in them... I was a real child of nature. 139 00:11:45,232 --> 00:11:47,445 And these are precisely the moments from childhood, 140 00:11:47,565 --> 00:11:50,873 when it's hot outside and I'm sitting in my honeysuckle cave, 141 00:11:50,993 --> 00:11:53,614 This is exactly what I was looking for in my landscapes. 142 00:12:08,530 --> 00:12:11,620 I was convinced that when I exhibited these landscapes, 143 00:12:11,740 --> 00:12:13,804 I'll be blown to smithereens. 144 00:12:14,497 --> 00:12:18,479 Because they are so uncontrollably romantic and sentimental... 145 00:12:19,660 --> 00:12:22,596 This is one of the distinctive features of artists from the south: 146 00:12:23,022 --> 00:12:26,282 love of the earth, nature, patriarchy, connection with the past, 147 00:12:26,402 --> 00:12:28,390 sensitivity to myths... 148 00:12:28,669 --> 00:12:31,871 But the main thing that distinguishes us, southerners, in my opinion, is 149 00:12:32,532 --> 00:12:37,057 this is our willingness to experiment with such portions of romanticism, 150 00:12:37,177 --> 00:12:42,291 which would certainly prove fatal to other postmodern artists. 151 00:12:43,304 --> 00:12:46,411 So I was afraid that in New York they would laugh at me, 152 00:12:46,994 --> 00:12:50,416 but it turned out completely differently... Reviews of these works were enthusiastic. 153 00:12:51,352 --> 00:12:53,204 Maybe people are just tired of only children, 154 00:12:53,324 --> 00:12:55,979 or maybe they were pleased with the fact that I could shoot something else... 155 00:13:33,862 --> 00:13:36,564 Since high school I wanted to do art. 156 00:13:36,684 --> 00:13:38,763 I owe this to my parents, 157 00:13:38,883 --> 00:13:41,783 who always encouraged any creativity. 158 00:13:43,807 --> 00:13:45,900 My father worked as a village doctor 159 00:13:46,020 --> 00:13:48,249 but his real passion was these strange sculptures of his. 160 00:13:50,173 --> 00:13:52,207 He did all sorts of strange things 161 00:13:53,437 --> 00:13:56,591 for example, I once found a cedar trunk 162 00:13:57,003 --> 00:14:00,425 with three protruding branches, 163 00:14:00,545 --> 00:14:03,667 and each of them had a kind of thickening at the end... 164 00:14:04,290 --> 00:14:07,382 Well, he cut a little here, smoothed a little there, 165 00:14:07,502 --> 00:14:09,720 and it turned out very similar to the torso of a man. 166 00:14:10,561 --> 00:14:13,021 with three protruding phalluses... 167 00:14:13,571 --> 00:14:15,620 His garden was open to the public 168 00:14:15,740 --> 00:14:18,656 and he placed this sculpture there, in the far corner, away from view, 169 00:14:18,776 --> 00:14:22,438 Can you imagine, all these women in white gloves, with hairstyles, walked there... 170 00:14:22,848 --> 00:14:25,324 When mom found out it was an explosion 171 00:14:25,444 --> 00:14:28,210 this is a park, it is accessible to the entire state of Virginia, 172 00:14:28,330 --> 00:14:30,764 and there was this thing... 173 00:14:31,127 --> 00:14:33,524 He called it Portnoy's Triple Case, based on the novel by Philip Roth. 174 00:14:36,673 --> 00:14:38,865 Local people from our small Virginia town 175 00:14:38,985 --> 00:14:41,435 We have always considered our family to be extremely unusual. 176 00:14:42,649 --> 00:14:46,333 My parents didn't really embrace that "middle class" lifestyle. 177 00:14:46,453 --> 00:14:49,345 which is generally considered the norm. I think that's the whole point. 178 00:14:49,664 --> 00:14:52,376 We didn't have a TV, we didn't belong to a social club, 179 00:14:52,496 --> 00:14:54,079 didn't go to church 180 00:14:54,199 --> 00:14:56,291 and, as a result, we were different, 181 00:14:56,411 --> 00:14:58,577 despite all efforts to look like an ordinary family. 182 00:15:00,785 --> 00:15:03,030 My parents had a hard time with me... 183 00:15:03,282 --> 00:15:05,949 No, I certainly wasn’t, as they say, a “bad seed” 184 00:15:06,357 --> 00:15:08,880 It’s just that self-will and stubbornness constantly manifested themselves in me... 185 00:15:10,100 --> 00:15:13,601 All this is now so far away... And I am completely different. 186 00:15:22,190 --> 00:15:25,187 For the first two years of her life, she refused to wear clothes at all. 187 00:15:26,030 --> 00:15:27,354 Elizabeth Munger, Sally's mother 188 00:15:27,843 --> 00:15:31,349 I refused to take her into town until she got dressed, 189 00:15:31,469 --> 00:15:33,995 and then she said that she didn’t want to go to the city at all. 190 00:15:34,322 --> 00:15:36,978 She did not want to make concessions for the sake of a trip to the city. 191 00:15:37,261 --> 00:15:38,932 She liked being naked. 192 00:15:39,537 --> 00:15:41,398 She had fits of anger 193 00:15:41,910 --> 00:15:45,253 then she held her breath until she turned blue. 194 00:15:46,071 --> 00:15:48,752 This is how she showed us her anger, 195 00:15:48,872 --> 00:15:50,928 if something wasn't the way she wanted. 196 00:15:53,735 --> 00:15:56,325 My personality was greatly influenced by my father's upbringing. 197 00:15:57,096 --> 00:15:59,735 who did not tolerate and did not allow disappointment. 198 00:16:01,206 --> 00:16:04,013 Whatever we did, the result had to be absolutely flawless. 199 00:16:04,603 --> 00:16:07,452 It was an unspoken requirement, he did not voice it, 200 00:16:07,572 --> 00:16:09,502 but he himself demonstrated this by his example. 201 00:16:11,764 --> 00:16:14,082 “It seems to me that dad has always been so sophisticated,” 202 00:16:14,202 --> 00:16:16,447 so well-mannered, correct... 203 00:16:18,604 --> 00:16:20,370 - Quiet... - And quiet... 204 00:16:20,490 --> 00:16:23,955 And it was impossible to imagine all his oddities, 205 00:16:24,075 --> 00:16:27,168 his characteristics, unusual character traits... 206 00:16:27,569 --> 00:16:30,482 And it always seemed like he was thinking about something extremely important. 207 00:16:30,766 --> 00:16:33,257 - Is it true? - Yes, it always seemed that way to me. 208 00:16:33,612 --> 00:16:35,646 And this is what scared us as children. 209 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:37,948 - Is it true? - Yeah... 210 00:16:39,398 --> 00:16:41,085 He seemed so far away... 211 00:16:43,331 --> 00:16:44,261 But that's okay. 212 00:16:45,068 --> 00:16:47,828 I got through it, I'm strong. 213 00:17:19,632 --> 00:17:22,202 - How is she? - Okay, very good... 214 00:17:40,944 --> 00:17:43,530 — Larry, grab some hay, please. - Fine. 215 00:17:46,617 --> 00:17:48,336 I met Larry when I was 18 216 00:17:49,361 --> 00:17:50,843 Bennington freshman, 217 00:17:51,111 --> 00:17:55,109 I came home for the Christmas holidays to visit my boyfriend, my best friend Larry. 218 00:17:58,712 --> 00:18:01,961 The flood of '69 almost razed our house to the ground, 219 00:18:02,081 --> 00:18:05,398 and in between times it brought just a huge stone 220 00:18:05,518 --> 00:18:08,844 five or six feet from the front door, just gigantic. 221 00:18:09,361 --> 00:18:11,818 Father needed to help remove it, 222 00:18:11,938 --> 00:18:14,582 and he called my then boyfriend, C Turner, 223 00:18:14,702 --> 00:18:17,065 and asked if anyone could help. 224 00:18:17,185 --> 00:18:20,076 Yi Xi replied that he knew just the right person. 225 00:18:21,388 --> 00:18:23,244 And so he brought Larry, 226 00:18:23,364 --> 00:18:27,083 and when Xi and his father tried to move the stone, 227 00:18:27,203 --> 00:18:29,703 he said, “Come on, give it to me”... 228 00:18:29,823 --> 00:18:33,187 And he bent down and picked up this stone himself, threw it on his back, 229 00:18:33,307 --> 00:18:35,948 carried it to the door of the house and put it in its place, 230 00:18:36,423 --> 00:18:39,858 and then turned and looked at them as if it cost him nothing. 231 00:18:40,415 --> 00:18:43,131 And C Turner told me that at that moment he realized 232 00:18:43,251 --> 00:18:45,244 that I will become Larry Mann's wife. 233 00:18:48,887 --> 00:18:50,899 It was love at first sight. 234 00:18:51,549 --> 00:18:54,877 Of course, 33 years later it’s hard to imagine, but that’s how it happened. 235 00:18:56,815 --> 00:18:59,670 Because we met at Christmas 236 00:19:00,142 --> 00:19:03,627 and by the new year we firmly decided that we would get married. 237 00:19:12,132 --> 00:19:13,842 We had a lot of fun together. 238 00:19:13,962 --> 00:19:15,926 We just decided everything from the very beginning: 239 00:19:16,046 --> 00:19:19,276 first we wanted to travel a little, then return home to Lexington. 240 00:19:20,970 --> 00:19:24,249 He also had an artistic beginning, he was engaged in sculpture. 241 00:19:24,369 --> 00:19:27,403 But then the question arose: who can make money from art? 242 00:19:27,523 --> 00:19:30,368 and it turned out to be me, not as an artist, but as a photographer. 243 00:19:33,096 --> 00:19:37,416 I dealt with the usual orders: shake hands and give me a check. 244 00:19:38,003 --> 00:19:40,658 Swim team group shots and all... 245 00:19:43,068 --> 00:19:46,538 And Larry studied the law, passed the exam three years later, 246 00:19:46,658 --> 00:19:48,723 and became a lawyer. 247 00:19:53,606 --> 00:19:55,816 In general, we looked at things the same way, 248 00:19:55,936 --> 00:19:58,843 we had similar aesthetic and worldly views, 249 00:19:59,385 --> 00:20:01,703 that's why I think everything worked out for us. 250 00:20:14,041 --> 00:20:15,129 - Isn't it cold? 251 00:20:15,249 --> 00:20:16,927 - Not yet. - Fine. 252 00:20:17,484 --> 00:20:21,015 - What kind of shot will it be? - It’s terribly difficult, it’s dark here... 253 00:20:22,641 --> 00:20:26,592 — I want to make sure that I can shoot with this lens... 254 00:20:27,576 --> 00:20:30,147 I've been filming Larry from the very beginning. 255 00:20:30,413 --> 00:20:32,242 - Put your foot there for a second... 256 00:20:34,223 --> 00:20:37,403 - Ahaa, I see something unnecessary... - Got it... 257 00:20:39,571 --> 00:20:44,450 In this series, which for now I call “Marital Fidelity”, 258 00:20:44,570 --> 00:20:47,750 I'm trying to paint a kind of portrait of marriage. 259 00:20:48,112 --> 00:20:50,840 You see, everything from the most ordinary things, 260 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,310 gardening, cutting dogs' nails, 261 00:20:54,430 --> 00:20:58,152 before the shower, sex.... In general, everything. 262 00:20:59,792 --> 00:21:02,281 Everything we do in life is together. 263 00:21:02,792 --> 00:21:05,431 - How do you actually cut your nails? - Yes, just like that. 264 00:21:06,521 --> 00:21:08,603 - You look kind of strange... 265 00:21:09,442 --> 00:21:11,634 You can turn around a little... 266 00:21:12,407 --> 00:21:14,468 Is this your first time posing? 267 00:21:17,027 --> 00:21:19,223 And how are you not tired of it yet?.. 268 00:21:19,486 --> 00:21:22,059 - Oh, I forgot, I need to remove the hay there... 269 00:21:23,227 --> 00:21:26,321 Larry is just great, you know, he's always very positive. 270 00:21:26,441 --> 00:21:30,357 Just imagine how much he must trust me as an artist, 271 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,099 because he must believe that I can take good enough pictures, 272 00:21:36,219 --> 00:21:38,935 to justify his participation in this manner. 273 00:21:39,530 --> 00:21:41,219 - Bella, your exit... 274 00:21:42,989 --> 00:21:44,783 Come on, back to the original... 275 00:21:44,903 --> 00:21:48,398 Let everyone admire your seven hundred dollar scar. 276 00:21:49,184 --> 00:21:51,174 - That's it, stop... Good girl... 277 00:21:52,306 --> 00:21:54,317 - I can hold her. 278 00:21:56,311 --> 00:21:59,142 — This picture is not as simple as I thought... 279 00:21:59,651 --> 00:22:01,160 - Almost ready... 280 00:22:01,455 --> 00:22:04,143 I'll quickly take the fat... 281 00:22:14,326 --> 00:22:17,430 - So, Bella, turn around a little... 282 00:22:19,798 --> 00:22:22,242 - Well done! 283 00:22:23,208 --> 00:22:25,195 Yes, okay... 284 00:22:25,315 --> 00:22:27,450 You cut the hair, I shoot. 285 00:22:28,349 --> 00:22:31,061 Wonderful. She's great! 286 00:22:31,181 --> 00:22:33,647 - Yes, a real star! 287 00:22:35,333 --> 00:22:39,668 You are our star, dear!.. It’s a pity, the shutter speed is half a second, you will be all blurred... 288 00:22:42,946 --> 00:22:45,582 Yes, and you’re great, good model, good!.. 289 00:22:47,205 --> 00:22:49,622 I think, with a bit of a joke, 290 00:22:49,742 --> 00:22:52,792 I view this series as such an aesthetic savings investment. 291 00:22:52,912 --> 00:22:54,990 I know the pictures are taken and I know they are good. 292 00:22:55,985 --> 00:22:59,328 Maybe they'll never see the light, maybe after I stretch my legs, 293 00:22:59,448 --> 00:23:04,702 but I am very pleased and calm to know that they are lying there, in a box in a dark room. 294 00:23:11,500 --> 00:23:14,454 I hope she doesn't get sick from pork fat... 295 00:23:14,574 --> 00:23:16,473 Otherwise it will be interesting. 296 00:23:18,065 --> 00:23:19,863 Well, another good picture... 297 00:23:21,627 --> 00:23:23,692 I thought about her for a long time. 298 00:23:23,976 --> 00:23:27,918 I've been thinking about her since one summer you were grilling hot dogs or something, 299 00:23:28,038 --> 00:23:30,198 and wiped his hand on his trouser leg... — And the dog came? 300 00:23:30,318 --> 00:23:33,463 - And the dog came up and began to lick... 301 00:23:33,583 --> 00:23:36,869 — All that was left was to add this scar... 302 00:23:37,543 --> 00:23:40,823 I also want to film you shaving with this picture... 303 00:23:42,353 --> 00:23:44,971 You know, I'm fucking tired of filming... 304 00:23:46,571 --> 00:23:48,470 - Well, sooner or later... 305 00:23:50,844 --> 00:23:54,171 “You will be imprinted from cradle to grave, dear... 306 00:23:54,502 --> 00:23:56,584 - You didn’t succeed with the cradle... 307 00:23:57,134 --> 00:23:59,247 - But damn close! - Close... 308 00:23:59,576 --> 00:24:04,690 “I was thinking, because we’ve already spent about two-thirds of our lives together... 309 00:24:05,341 --> 00:24:07,344 - Yes, it all started a long time ago... 310 00:24:08,226 --> 00:24:09,819 - Yes... So strange... 311 00:24:33,019 --> 00:24:38,112 In 1994, Larry was diagnosed with a rare, incurable form of muscular dystrophy 312 00:24:38,232 --> 00:24:41,008 gradually weakening and destroying muscle tissue. 313 00:24:49,473 --> 00:24:53,267 “I myself didn’t notice anything at all until people started asking me, 314 00:24:53,387 --> 00:24:55,743 why am I limping? 315 00:24:56,216 --> 00:24:59,453 And for some time I didn’t pay attention, I answered, well, I don’t know... 316 00:24:59,573 --> 00:25:01,764 - I constantly told him... 317 00:25:03,765 --> 00:25:08,063 - Well, in the end I went to the clinic when there was something like a promotion, 318 00:25:08,183 --> 00:25:12,714 a complete blood test, in all respects, for 15 bucks, or something... 319 00:25:15,508 --> 00:25:19,639 I took these tests, and they told me, “No, something is wrong, I need to take it again.” 320 00:25:20,277 --> 00:25:23,632 There was something with muscle enzyme levels... 321 00:25:26,092 --> 00:25:32,056 In general, the analysis was as if I had just suffered a severe heart attack. 322 00:25:32,946 --> 00:25:37,141 All my muscle mass was rapidly losing enzymes. 323 00:25:39,542 --> 00:25:41,772 Therefore, the tests simply went off scale. 324 00:25:42,411 --> 00:25:47,112 - The disease develops in such a way that one half of the body is much worse than the other, 325 00:25:47,232 --> 00:25:50,888 but at the same time it is asymmetrical, the worst is the left leg and right arm. 326 00:25:51,387 --> 00:25:53,616 The muscles simply atrophy... 327 00:25:55,004 --> 00:25:57,180 Well, he has a lot of muscles... 328 00:25:58,251 --> 00:26:02,856 So it will take longer than it would with others, but... 329 00:26:07,128 --> 00:26:10,124 It seems to me that I do not recognize his illness, in any way. 330 00:26:13,542 --> 00:26:17,674 I don't like to delve into all this psychology, 331 00:26:18,904 --> 00:26:21,600 but I just don't think about it. 332 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,017 You know, it’s like with age, you don’t seem to notice it, and then I look out the window, 333 00:26:25,137 --> 00:26:29,820 and I see him walking, as if stumbling, dragging his leg, well, you’ll see for yourself... 334 00:26:33,414 --> 00:26:35,558 And I think, "Oh, God!" 335 00:26:36,958 --> 00:26:40,776 This is so sudden, so unfair... 336 00:26:41,940 --> 00:26:43,218 Not for us... 337 00:26:45,287 --> 00:26:46,942 - It seems everything is ready. 338 00:26:47,857 --> 00:26:51,373 You will need to keep your hand still for quite some time. 339 00:26:51,642 --> 00:26:53,786 - It's okay, I can handle it. 340 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,949 I'm used to it. 341 00:26:57,879 --> 00:26:59,456 - Let's start. 342 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,445 He's ready to pose for me, but... 343 00:27:11,092 --> 00:27:12,873 Is it fair for me to ask him? 344 00:27:13,259 --> 00:27:16,286 You see, this question gnaws at me, is it fair to ask him, 345 00:27:16,728 --> 00:27:19,582 just because I know that he won’t refuse? 346 00:27:22,387 --> 00:27:26,353 As I get older, I realize that this is my legacy and I have to ask myself, 347 00:27:26,473 --> 00:27:32,086 What would I like to leave behind and how would I like people to perceive it? 348 00:27:33,533 --> 00:27:38,245 Obviously I don't want to leave dry, meaningless pictures, 349 00:27:38,798 --> 00:27:41,652 but I don't want to leave something that hurts, 350 00:27:41,772 --> 00:27:43,923 harm someone else. 351 00:27:49,994 --> 00:27:53,426 - Remember, you once planned to film the three of us, but we didn’t want to... 352 00:27:54,171 --> 00:27:55,416 Jesse Mann 353 00:27:56,173 --> 00:28:00,384 It was terribly hot, and here you are with your camera... I was terribly angry... 354 00:28:00,504 --> 00:28:03,888 And I moved back and forth so that your focus would go away!.. 355 00:28:04,267 --> 00:28:08,051 “I was ready to strangle you all!” 356 00:28:10,934 --> 00:28:12,779 Do you remember this photo? 357 00:28:15,140 --> 00:28:18,893 — I remember it was terribly hot then, around 40... 358 00:28:19,013 --> 00:28:23,480 And you kept saying, “Don’t move, under no circumstances move!” 359 00:28:23,969 --> 00:28:28,873 - You three were terrible, as soon as one did something right, the other immediately ruined everything... 360 00:28:33,932 --> 00:28:38,260 — As a child, when I saw that my mother came up with an idea for a photograph, 361 00:28:38,380 --> 00:28:41,342 It really scared me, I wanted to hide. 362 00:28:42,017 --> 00:28:44,429 Her facial expression changed 363 00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:48,403 when she noticed something in our classes that inspired her, 364 00:28:48,523 --> 00:28:50,923 and she had to take it off at all costs. 365 00:28:53,052 --> 00:28:55,512 - I would like you to turn towards the river 366 00:28:56,647 --> 00:28:59,107 and touched my hair... 367 00:28:59,751 --> 00:29:03,883 Turn to the river, and then turn around to face the camera... Yes, like that... 368 00:29:14,668 --> 00:29:18,933 Children hold these pictures with the strength of their characters, 369 00:29:19,053 --> 00:29:21,917 with his unusual personality, 370 00:29:23,352 --> 00:29:24,977 human power. 371 00:29:26,648 --> 00:29:31,121 I said, "Jesse, please put your hand with the cigarette candy out here, 372 00:29:31,241 --> 00:29:35,503 and look at me with such an expression of universal detachment"... 373 00:29:36,232 --> 00:29:38,077 And she did it! Easily! 374 00:29:38,197 --> 00:29:42,026 I didn’t even have to show it, she knew what I meant. 375 00:29:42,321 --> 00:29:46,284 And now other people are filming her because she has this power... 376 00:29:49,592 --> 00:29:51,484 - Great, Jesse. 377 00:29:54,504 --> 00:29:57,540 — I like to pose, I’ve always done it, 378 00:29:57,660 --> 00:29:59,424 and I think I'm doing well... 379 00:29:59,544 --> 00:30:03,658 I would say that I rather feel awkward in front of such... sort of soapboxes?.. 380 00:30:03,778 --> 00:30:06,938 I don't know, I've never taken pictures myself... 381 00:30:12,315 --> 00:30:15,216 I feel embarrassed to be in such pictures. 382 00:30:15,336 --> 00:30:17,832 As for everything else - no, absolutely. 383 00:30:18,127 --> 00:30:22,182 You know, every time photographers tell me they want to shoot me, 384 00:30:22,302 --> 00:30:26,410 I respond, “Oh, I’d love to pose for you!” I need it like a drug... 385 00:30:26,530 --> 00:30:27,955 But I love it. 386 00:30:42,364 --> 00:30:45,865 - Remember this one? With Lucy Turner's dog, Tripod?... 387 00:30:48,198 --> 00:30:49,412 - No... 388 00:30:51,494 --> 00:30:54,033 - And this is you. This is a blurry spot... 389 00:30:55,802 --> 00:30:57,962 I think... Oh, no, it's Emmett. 390 00:31:00,294 --> 00:31:02,975 - But I don’t remember this one at all... - No?.. 391 00:31:03,095 --> 00:31:05,151 You teach Virginia to pray... 392 00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:10,497 You went to an Episcopal church back then. 393 00:31:11,549 --> 00:31:13,078 It didn't last long. 394 00:31:13,914 --> 00:31:15,412 - Nine years... 395 00:31:16,579 --> 00:31:18,392 And you came twice. 396 00:31:18,834 --> 00:31:21,388 - Really? I think I came every Sunday... 397 00:31:21,508 --> 00:31:22,909 - Well, yes, of course... 398 00:31:25,495 --> 00:31:28,349 - How many are there?.. - I don’t know... A million... 399 00:31:29,059 --> 00:31:32,367 - What else is this? - Well... The children tied you up, it seems... 400 00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:36,630 - Yes, our games sometimes got out of control... 401 00:31:37,619 --> 00:31:41,394 - There is another one where they tie you to a tree near the house... Which fell last year. 402 00:31:41,651 --> 00:31:45,328 - With your complete connivance? - Of course... It's a game. 403 00:31:52,057 --> 00:31:54,564 I'm preparing another book... Coming soon. 404 00:31:54,684 --> 00:31:58,743 This will be a collection of my old works, more diverse topics. 405 00:31:59,964 --> 00:32:03,417 That doesn't mean I'm unhappy with "Immediate Family" 406 00:32:03,537 --> 00:32:06,838 there are simply other, more tender, dear pictures, 407 00:32:06,958 --> 00:32:08,485 which have not been published before. 408 00:32:10,168 --> 00:32:13,195 Maybe you shouldn't actually make this book, but let them do it... 409 00:32:13,795 --> 00:32:17,090 Because this is actually their legacy, their work... 410 00:32:23,241 --> 00:32:26,679 — Ahassa wants to organize a traveling exhibition of family photographs, 411 00:32:28,137 --> 00:32:31,283 and these photographs always provoke questions, 412 00:32:32,679 --> 00:32:35,549 this is their main advantage... 413 00:32:36,385 --> 00:32:40,453 But we have already answered all these questions so many times, and yet again... 414 00:32:41,781 --> 00:32:44,465 Just thinking about it makes you tired. 415 00:32:44,773 --> 00:32:48,454 — And everyone really likes to ask, “Who did he grow up to be?” 416 00:32:50,037 --> 00:32:52,862 and I have to tell you again 417 00:32:52,982 --> 00:32:56,670 as if our lives, our decisions, are subject to some kind of assessment... 418 00:32:56,790 --> 00:32:59,429 Like, “Well, what is it like for the kids after all this?” 419 00:33:00,013 --> 00:33:03,844 — Questions arise constantly, we can never do without them... 420 00:33:05,264 --> 00:33:08,838 It was naive of me to believe otherwise from the very beginning. 421 00:33:09,773 --> 00:33:14,329 - Besides, it seems to me that only now are you truly establishing yourself as an artist, 422 00:33:14,449 --> 00:33:16,702 who has works not only about family, 423 00:33:16,822 --> 00:33:19,177 and, probably, there is no need to start this topic again... 424 00:33:19,297 --> 00:33:22,018 - Exactly. I just need to go and keep filming. 425 00:33:22,138 --> 00:33:24,500 It's time to start making art. 426 00:33:24,783 --> 00:33:27,606 - You don’t think I took pictures of mine?.. - No... 427 00:33:28,462 --> 00:33:31,537 — A fifty-two-year-old loser who filmed her... 428 00:33:34,407 --> 00:33:37,135 December 8, 2000 429 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,866 "Our next plot is unusual in itself, 430 00:33:41,986 --> 00:33:44,594 and our team managed to film most of it. 431 00:33:44,714 --> 00:33:47,934 After a tense chase and shootout through the woods, 432 00:33:48,054 --> 00:33:50,803 police carry out the suspect's body. 433 00:33:50,923 --> 00:33:53,299 It happened today in Rockbridge County 434 00:33:53,419 --> 00:33:57,128 According to police, it all started with the theft of a patrol car, 435 00:33:57,248 --> 00:34:00,221 when police officers came to serve him with a warrant." 436 00:34:03,107 --> 00:34:06,292 — I was at home when the sheriff called. 437 00:34:06,412 --> 00:34:10,762 and said, "There is a fugitive on your land, and you need to leave home." 438 00:34:13,672 --> 00:34:17,787 And just then we saw him coming. Directly to us. 439 00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,918 I think he shot first, that's what I thought. 440 00:34:22,038 --> 00:34:25,056 They returned fire at him and wounded him in the thigh. 441 00:34:25,176 --> 00:34:29,345 I think he fell... He put the gun to his head and shot himself. 442 00:34:35,835 --> 00:34:39,635 When it was all over, the place was wrapped in this yellow tape, 443 00:34:39,755 --> 00:34:43,499 and I went there and began to look, 444 00:34:43,619 --> 00:34:48,539 there were traces on the ground where he lay for several minutes until they took him away... 445 00:34:52,443 --> 00:34:56,133 And where his head lay there was a small puddle of blood, 446 00:34:57,158 --> 00:35:01,135 strange, it was very dark, almost like chocolate. 447 00:35:02,943 --> 00:35:05,308 And I plunged my finger into it, 448 00:35:05,428 --> 00:35:07,744 as if she, I don’t know, enchanted me, 449 00:35:07,864 --> 00:35:12,207 and it began to decrease, it began to gradually be absorbed into the ground. 450 00:35:13,011 --> 00:35:15,863 It was amazing, I recoiled 451 00:35:15,983 --> 00:35:19,096 when I saw how the earth seemed to take a sip of this blood... 452 00:35:22,076 --> 00:35:25,049 I continued to come there for some time, 453 00:35:25,169 --> 00:35:28,550 as if she was tidying up the place of his death... and filming it. 454 00:35:30,897 --> 00:35:33,531 And with this, a completely new project began. 455 00:35:49,473 --> 00:35:52,296 The death of the criminal had a profound impact 456 00:35:52,416 --> 00:35:55,355 on my perception of the earth, nature. 457 00:35:58,588 --> 00:36:00,732 I started asking myself, 458 00:36:00,852 --> 00:36:05,877 and what happens to the land on which a huge number of people die? 459 00:36:07,958 --> 00:36:10,923 Civil War battlefield Cold Harbor, Virginia 460 00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:27,354 The earth doesn't care where a person died, 461 00:36:27,474 --> 00:36:30,689 her concern is to remove everything unnecessary and renew herself. 462 00:36:30,809 --> 00:36:34,663 Only the artist who comes later and writes, draws, films, 463 00:36:34,783 --> 00:36:39,681 makes this earth a place of power and creates a memory of death. 464 00:36:46,222 --> 00:36:49,849 Because the earth cannot remember itself, but the artist can. 465 00:36:58,891 --> 00:37:00,909 When I take these pictures 466 00:37:01,029 --> 00:37:04,268 I cover a glass plate with collodion solution, 467 00:37:04,388 --> 00:37:06,199 which resembles syrup... 468 00:37:08,096 --> 00:37:11,960 Interestingly, collodion was used during the Civil War, 469 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,010 as a hemostatic agent. 470 00:37:16,017 --> 00:37:19,939 Wet collodion is a very fascinating process, 471 00:37:20,059 --> 00:37:22,922 very contemplative, self-absorbed. 472 00:37:24,499 --> 00:37:27,603 It contains a sense of the weight of what is happening. 473 00:37:32,988 --> 00:37:34,951 I love collodion photographs. 474 00:37:35,071 --> 00:37:39,035 They are very unique. You can’t remove it like that with any other means. 475 00:37:39,842 --> 00:37:43,164 All these little flaws, specks of dust on the glass, you see... 476 00:37:43,284 --> 00:37:46,223 They all show up in the photo, which is what I like. 477 00:37:46,343 --> 00:37:48,337 It's an element of chance... 478 00:37:48,457 --> 00:37:52,084 All my mistakes, they end up in the right place... 479 00:37:54,970 --> 00:37:57,527 This is the same process Brady used during the war, 480 00:37:57,647 --> 00:38:00,302 and Fenton and Gardner... 481 00:38:01,868 --> 00:38:05,110 They had antediluvian mobile laboratories, 482 00:38:05,230 --> 00:38:07,728 assistants, mule-drawn carts, 483 00:38:07,848 --> 00:38:10,156 and they received such high-quality negatives... 484 00:38:10,787 --> 00:38:14,146 After all, flaws are very difficult to avoid, look... 485 00:38:15,565 --> 00:38:18,216 These divorces are here... 486 00:38:18,336 --> 00:38:20,029 I like them... 487 00:38:22,568 --> 00:38:26,274 But you will never see them in the work of photographers of the 1800s. 488 00:38:26,394 --> 00:38:28,608 All their pictures are perfect. 489 00:38:30,702 --> 00:38:33,966 I'm afraid I'll never perfect this technique. 490 00:38:34,086 --> 00:38:38,002 I go out into nature with my mobile dark room in my car, 491 00:38:39,489 --> 00:38:43,887 and everything that can go wrong, definitely goes wrong... 492 00:38:46,236 --> 00:38:49,784 The blackout is falling like a house of cards on all my solutions, 493 00:38:49,904 --> 00:38:54,055 and the negatives come out with some wonderful oddities... 494 00:38:54,175 --> 00:38:56,696 The moment I cover the record, 495 00:38:56,816 --> 00:39:00,622 Tractors drive by, raising a cloud of dust, 496 00:39:01,206 --> 00:39:04,139 and it turns out to be a great photo. 497 00:39:18,618 --> 00:39:21,283 I have to admit, sometimes it upsets me... 498 00:39:21,403 --> 00:39:24,531 that many of my works depend on technical errors. 499 00:39:25,998 --> 00:39:29,120 I don't intentionally process negatives this way, 500 00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:31,312 but I don’t throw them away as rejects. 501 00:39:34,700 --> 00:39:36,987 In the past, I have taken pictures many times, 502 00:39:37,107 --> 00:39:40,897 who were magically transformed by someone's hand, 503 00:39:41,017 --> 00:39:42,779 not my own 504 00:39:42,899 --> 00:39:45,280 and they got better at it. 505 00:39:47,659 --> 00:39:50,450 I like these outside interventions. 506 00:39:53,729 --> 00:39:55,589 Proust once wrote, 507 00:39:55,709 --> 00:39:58,648 that he prayed for an “angel of certainty” to work. 508 00:40:01,565 --> 00:40:05,523 I pray to the angel of uncertainty to descend on my record. 509 00:40:15,319 --> 00:40:18,252 - Look how he’s in a hurry!.. 510 00:40:18,372 --> 00:40:20,948 What's in her teeth? 511 00:40:22,104 --> 00:40:24,847 - Larry, it's a chicken!.. - Oh, no... 512 00:40:26,882 --> 00:40:28,695 - She is terribly proud of herself... 513 00:40:29,625 --> 00:40:31,869 The vultures are already here... 514 00:40:35,615 --> 00:40:37,460 And they will be hunted!.. 515 00:40:40,759 --> 00:40:43,330 Could make a great photo... 516 00:40:46,215 --> 00:40:49,511 - Well, take it off... - They will not stand still... 517 00:40:53,263 --> 00:40:54,871 Well done! 518 00:40:56,923 --> 00:40:59,680 This is how we spend our days... 519 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,392 True, if we kept a diary of every minute of our days... 520 00:41:04,292 --> 00:41:07,461 So, let's begin: we spent three hours fiddling with the dogs, 521 00:41:08,455 --> 00:41:11,151 two and a half - looked out the window... 522 00:41:11,271 --> 00:41:14,366 If you break it down into minutes, everything will be like this... 523 00:41:15,265 --> 00:41:18,261 We can watch this for hours, if you count... 524 00:41:20,831 --> 00:41:22,282 How can I resist here? 525 00:42:02,533 --> 00:42:05,415 - She's really beautiful... 526 00:42:07,814 --> 00:42:09,312 Just look... 527 00:42:10,699 --> 00:42:12,796 She was a hound, a greyhound, 528 00:42:12,916 --> 00:42:15,467 this is the second fastest animal in the world, 529 00:42:15,587 --> 00:42:18,022 and this bone supported her... 530 00:42:20,166 --> 00:42:22,942 Even with a broken leg, she simply flew. 531 00:42:23,062 --> 00:42:24,860 There's a claw left here... 532 00:42:28,124 --> 00:42:29,827 Small phalanges... 533 00:42:32,102 --> 00:42:35,082 This leg once ran around the farm like lightning. 534 00:42:48,004 --> 00:42:51,868 There's a tiny piece of fur left here, I want it to turn out... 535 00:42:53,616 --> 00:42:56,659 And a little more ashes wouldn't hurt. 536 00:43:02,311 --> 00:43:03,620 Like this. 537 00:43:21,738 --> 00:43:24,844 This project was born when my dog Eva died, 538 00:43:24,964 --> 00:43:28,613 and I couldn’t find the strength to part with her body so immediately. 539 00:43:29,172 --> 00:43:32,215 Because her body still had her essence, 540 00:43:32,877 --> 00:43:35,164 he had a soul. 541 00:43:39,450 --> 00:43:41,295 I guess I wanted to understand 542 00:43:41,415 --> 00:43:44,307 how long will her soul continue to live... 543 00:43:44,427 --> 00:43:46,590 Eighteen months of decomposition... 544 00:43:51,074 --> 00:43:53,818 It was so unexpected... 545 00:43:55,111 --> 00:43:57,540 This little claw 546 00:43:57,660 --> 00:44:00,890 carries such a powerful emotional charge... 547 00:44:02,474 --> 00:44:05,455 She was a big dog, and only a small claw remained, 548 00:44:05,928 --> 00:44:09,286 but it’s also enough to make my heart start beating faster. 549 00:44:32,149 --> 00:44:34,025 This interest in death... 550 00:44:34,145 --> 00:44:37,920 It must be hereditary because my father was fascinated by it. 551 00:44:43,872 --> 00:44:46,395 He studied this topic for a very long time, 552 00:44:46,515 --> 00:44:48,555 the theme of the iconography of death, 553 00:44:48,675 --> 00:44:53,300 how different cultures, since prehistoric times, have imagined death. 554 00:44:56,274 --> 00:45:00,580 He studied everything from cave paintings to medieval tombstones, 555 00:45:00,700 --> 00:45:04,070 "Anatomy Lesson" by Rembrandt... 556 00:45:04,906 --> 00:45:08,470 We grew up with this, death was always somewhere nearby, in the house... 557 00:45:22,671 --> 00:45:25,005 Boxerwood Gardens, Sally's childhood home 558 00:45:27,638 --> 00:45:30,508 You are here. And at this time... 559 00:45:35,779 --> 00:45:38,586 - Just look how it has grown!.. 560 00:45:39,501 --> 00:45:43,072 Simply monstrous... Like from Blenham Gardens... 561 00:45:45,144 --> 00:45:49,071 Dad planted all this when I was still very little, 562 00:45:49,778 --> 00:45:54,130 all the trees in this area were small, just seedlings. 563 00:45:55,431 --> 00:45:57,560 Among them were rare varieties, 564 00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:02,664 he ordered them from, I don’t know, Hong Kong, and they were just tiny. 565 00:46:04,036 --> 00:46:05,881 Now look... 566 00:46:07,382 --> 00:46:10,142 He would be delighted if he saw it. 567 00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:17,821 — Have you found a box with my beautiful masterpieces? 568 00:46:20,903 --> 00:46:22,385 - Come on, brave woman!.. 569 00:46:26,296 --> 00:46:28,771 - Oh, Khalifa! My first Arabian horse! 570 00:46:31,483 --> 00:46:33,232 Karen Bailey, family friend 571 00:46:33,579 --> 00:46:36,607 This is how I imagine heaven to this day... 572 00:46:39,098 --> 00:46:40,754 Wow! 1963... 573 00:46:41,779 --> 00:46:45,958 - Not bad!.. — You liked working with color... 574 00:46:48,204 --> 00:46:50,086 - How touching... - Very much. 575 00:46:50,572 --> 00:46:53,031 You were the light of his eyes... 576 00:46:57,816 --> 00:47:00,010 - Your insides, dad. 577 00:47:03,476 --> 00:47:05,154 Ghost of the dead. 578 00:47:06,450 --> 00:47:09,174 - Hmm... — Is this some kind of X-ray beam, or something... 579 00:47:10,007 --> 00:47:11,715 Your insides, dad... 580 00:47:14,115 --> 00:47:15,411 Very strange. 581 00:47:17,825 --> 00:47:20,490 It's even scary to find such things... 582 00:47:21,336 --> 00:47:22,955 But it's true 583 00:47:23,075 --> 00:47:25,959 Was he one of the most difficult people to get along with? 584 00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:27,520 - Partly... 585 00:47:28,344 --> 00:47:30,894 - He was unusual... - Incredible... 586 00:47:31,014 --> 00:47:32,469 - A very inquisitive mind... 587 00:47:34,132 --> 00:47:37,843 He rarely advertised his education and versatility... 588 00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:43,950 “You’ll have something to remember.” 589 00:47:51,529 --> 00:47:53,906 - I must say, he scared us a lot, 590 00:47:54,026 --> 00:47:57,709 partly because in the 50s it was like, you know, don't bother daddy, and all that... 591 00:47:58,359 --> 00:48:00,326 But also because of his character. 592 00:48:00,637 --> 00:48:02,402 Hunter Moring, family friend 593 00:48:02,741 --> 00:48:06,584 He had some strange aura, until the day of his death. 594 00:48:07,437 --> 00:48:10,660 I remember when he was sick and did not leave the office, 595 00:48:11,208 --> 00:48:15,537 I spent the whole morning plucking up the courage to go to him and tell him that I love him. 596 00:48:18,250 --> 00:48:21,710 And so I approached him quietly and quietly and said “Dad”... 597 00:48:21,830 --> 00:48:23,447 He perked up, "What?" 598 00:48:23,567 --> 00:48:25,435 and I said, "I love you"... 599 00:48:26,075 --> 00:48:28,564 And he replied: “Well, that’s enough, that’s enough...” 600 00:48:29,064 --> 00:48:31,386 Enough for you, dear!.. 601 00:48:32,435 --> 00:48:35,013 In general, this was an important moment in our relationship, 602 00:48:35,133 --> 00:48:37,880 you know that I'm dying and I know that I'm dying, 603 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,987 and you need to say something important, but it turns out, “Well, that’s enough, that’s enough...” 604 00:48:41,107 --> 00:48:43,343 "You can do it, darling!" 605 00:48:43,961 --> 00:48:44,992 That's it!.. 606 00:48:45,699 --> 00:48:48,567 But I said, God knows, I really said it!.. 607 00:48:48,687 --> 00:48:50,879 "I love you, dad!" 608 00:49:22,664 --> 00:49:25,739 It's one thing when you consider bodily decay 609 00:49:25,859 --> 00:49:28,070 using the example of a dog's body, 610 00:49:28,578 --> 00:49:31,985 but I thought it was important to explore the issue with people as well. 611 00:49:33,290 --> 00:49:36,064 Because otherwise I would hardly have succeeded 612 00:49:36,184 --> 00:49:39,648 give people enough emotional push to think. 613 00:49:40,771 --> 00:49:44,187 University of Tennessee Forensic Science Training Site 614 00:50:00,615 --> 00:50:03,707 I gained access to the forensic testing site, 615 00:50:03,827 --> 00:50:07,285 where corpses are studied to better understand the decomposition process. 616 00:50:10,672 --> 00:50:14,885 These bodies are simply left there to decompose, in the open air. 617 00:50:49,776 --> 00:50:52,811 — I really like mummified skin, it’s amazing... 618 00:50:52,931 --> 00:50:54,990 Dr. Richard Jentz, expert anthropologist 619 00:50:55,110 --> 00:50:57,140 It's like fabric, or water... 620 00:50:57,861 --> 00:51:00,055 It seems so organic, so alive. 621 00:51:00,383 --> 00:51:02,165 All these folds, transitions, 622 00:51:02,285 --> 00:51:03,726 she's alive... 623 00:51:07,568 --> 00:51:09,262 Another little... 624 00:51:09,895 --> 00:51:11,559 They seem small. 625 00:51:12,752 --> 00:51:14,519 This is a beautiful color 626 00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:16,712 look how sparkling orange it is!.. 627 00:51:17,949 --> 00:51:19,054 Great! 628 00:51:19,174 --> 00:51:21,237 Such an unexpected color! 629 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,216 - But, as you can see, it’s quite fresh... 630 00:51:31,661 --> 00:51:33,472 - Looks like he's young... 631 00:51:38,581 --> 00:51:40,098 Lovely hair. 632 00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:44,567 I think these body shots will be the focal point of this series about death. 633 00:53:45,807 --> 00:53:49,357 They kind of draw a line under all this research. 634 00:53:50,445 --> 00:53:52,860 This was a study from both sides, 635 00:53:52,980 --> 00:53:56,112 what happens to the landscape when death comes there, 636 00:53:56,232 --> 00:53:58,866 and what happens to those who die there. 637 00:54:03,098 --> 00:54:06,623 It is difficult to realize that after death you no longer exist. 638 00:54:08,428 --> 00:54:10,295 Your body is just a vessel 639 00:54:10,415 --> 00:54:12,827 containing your true essence, 640 00:54:13,756 --> 00:54:16,699 and after death only he remains, meaningless. 641 00:54:19,226 --> 00:54:23,001 It seems to me that people who leave all these posthumous demands 642 00:54:23,121 --> 00:54:28,411 like send me sailing down the Ganges, or put me in plastic at a factory in Michigan... 643 00:54:29,258 --> 00:54:31,498 I think it's pretty stupid. 644 00:54:31,759 --> 00:54:36,431 They simply refuse to admit that they have finally lost control. 645 00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:40,278 That they no longer have any influence on the world. 646 00:54:44,901 --> 00:54:46,919 And I don’t care what they do to me. 647 00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:49,107 Leave me to the hawks and foxes. 648 00:54:50,524 --> 00:54:53,203 I want to be fertilizer for the pecan tree. 649 00:54:54,748 --> 00:54:58,748 There aren’t many of me, but it’s enough to support some process. 650 00:55:23,722 --> 00:55:25,857 - Look, gray hair. - Oh, come on... 651 00:55:28,448 --> 00:55:30,642 For an old man, your hair is nothing... 652 00:55:31,241 --> 00:55:32,493 - And thanks for that. 653 00:55:37,435 --> 00:55:40,697 - I almost fell asleep! -You always fall asleep... 654 00:55:40,817 --> 00:55:42,074 - Such sun... 655 00:55:43,068 --> 00:55:45,761 - And someone ruffles your hair, it’s so nice... 656 00:56:30,378 --> 00:56:33,441 These Death Photos Raise Serious Questions 657 00:56:36,100 --> 00:56:38,529 and they can upset many people. 658 00:56:39,206 --> 00:56:41,621 I'm not so surprised by this reaction anymore. 659 00:56:41,741 --> 00:56:44,190 I was surprised by the reaction to the children’s photographs. 660 00:56:47,897 --> 00:56:50,453 I think everything will depend on the manner of presentation, 661 00:56:50,573 --> 00:56:52,846 if I do it with dignity, 662 00:56:52,966 --> 00:56:56,457 as befits an important intellectual and creative presentation, 663 00:56:56,577 --> 00:56:57,827 people will understand this. 664 00:56:58,740 --> 00:57:01,478 This is my creative reflection, reflection. 665 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,224 It seems to me that death is more natural and not so scary for me, 666 00:57:08,344 --> 00:57:10,325 like for most people. 667 00:57:10,682 --> 00:57:12,699 Partly due to Larry's illness, 668 00:57:12,819 --> 00:57:16,200 which once again reminded our family of mortality. 669 00:57:17,497 --> 00:57:20,633 But also because I saw my father die. 670 00:57:21,553 --> 00:57:24,351 And he faced death fearlessly... 671 00:57:24,601 --> 00:57:26,706 This made a deep impression. 672 00:57:27,766 --> 00:57:29,857 We were all together... 673 00:57:31,508 --> 00:57:35,189 And a month before he knew he was going to die, 674 00:57:35,763 --> 00:57:39,032 and he behaved completely casually, calmly, 675 00:57:39,152 --> 00:57:41,122 there was no fear in him. 676 00:57:41,660 --> 00:57:44,373 I remember this very much. 677 00:57:45,078 --> 00:57:47,787 His fearlessness was 678 00:57:48,189 --> 00:57:49,943 completely unshakable. 679 00:57:53,543 --> 00:57:55,148 In my eyes. 680 00:58:05,058 --> 00:58:08,099 Autumn 2002 681 00:58:16,357 --> 00:58:19,066 On September 2003 at the Pace Gallery in New York 682 00:58:19,186 --> 00:58:22,225 a large exhibition of Sally's photographs of death was planned. 683 00:58:24,093 --> 00:58:27,097 This project, photographs about death, turns out to be very interesting... 684 00:58:28,570 --> 00:58:31,102 It gains real weight, grows, 685 00:58:31,222 --> 00:58:34,920 I can see it growing into something with great potential. 686 00:58:39,086 --> 00:58:41,773 I just need to figure out how to complete it... 687 00:58:43,773 --> 00:58:47,333 It seems to me that it would be a mistake to approach the topic of death 688 00:58:47,453 --> 00:58:49,637 showing it as the final point. 689 00:58:49,757 --> 00:58:52,273 I need to find some positive, uplifting note to end on. 690 00:58:52,393 --> 00:58:54,471 and I still don’t quite understand which one. 691 00:59:02,959 --> 00:59:04,734 - Emmett, don't scare them! 692 00:59:08,747 --> 00:59:10,838 Hold it like this! Here!.. 693 00:59:10,958 --> 00:59:13,076 This is how chickens are kept... 694 00:59:25,083 --> 00:59:26,776 -Your eye sockets are so deep!.. 695 00:59:27,483 --> 00:59:29,191 - Because they kicked me in this one... 696 00:59:30,015 --> 00:59:31,429 - Let's not talk about this. 697 00:59:31,980 --> 00:59:35,827 - You were a real test for your mother... - I know, I know... 698 00:59:35,947 --> 00:59:37,797 Take your head back... Listen to me. 699 00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,729 I take these pictures of children... 700 00:59:43,436 --> 00:59:46,234 I focus so that their faces are very large. 701 00:59:46,571 --> 00:59:48,073 -Move closer. 702 00:59:49,174 --> 00:59:51,842 “If I lower my face, it won’t turn out right.” 703 00:59:52,537 --> 00:59:56,816 - In what sense? - Well, now the sun is casting a shadow on my face... 704 00:59:57,130 --> 00:59:58,647 - Yes, really!.. 705 01:00:00,016 --> 01:00:03,079 It's quite rare to be able to spend some time 706 01:00:03,199 --> 01:00:06,185 one and a half to two hours, with each of the children separately, 707 01:00:06,305 --> 01:00:07,864 so that nothing interferes. 708 01:00:09,092 --> 01:00:12,387 And it's so natural to work with them again. 709 01:00:14,367 --> 01:00:15,913 - Move a little... 710 01:00:16,487 --> 01:00:19,309 To the left, probably... Turn your head a little... 711 01:00:19,429 --> 01:00:20,281 Great. 712 01:00:20,531 --> 01:00:21,724 Almost everything is ready. 713 01:00:22,636 --> 01:00:25,435 Are you ready? The shutter speed will be about three minutes... 714 01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:27,096 Minimum three. 715 01:00:27,685 --> 01:00:28,627 - OK. 716 01:00:28,747 --> 01:00:31,425 - You can look cute for three minutes straight? 717 01:00:32,131 --> 01:00:33,456 - What do you think? 718 01:00:34,502 --> 01:00:36,401 - Are you ready? Open your eyes. 719 01:00:37,705 --> 01:00:40,208 Sweet, calm, serene, kind expression. 720 01:00:41,842 --> 01:00:44,345 And a little mysterious. 721 01:00:45,641 --> 01:00:47,408 One two Three. 722 01:01:14,551 --> 01:01:19,077 There is something real, significant, and at the same time elusive in these portraits. 723 01:01:23,154 --> 01:01:25,922 What amazes me most is how similar they are 724 01:01:26,042 --> 01:01:27,866 how similar their facial features are. 725 01:01:32,019 --> 01:01:34,993 Their faces are filled with such hope and calmness... 726 01:01:37,698 --> 01:01:40,235 They are so full of life... 727 01:01:40,355 --> 01:01:44,093 Perhaps they can be a worthy conclusion to the cycle about death. 728 01:01:46,994 --> 01:01:49,968 As a reminder to appreciate the living, 729 01:01:50,088 --> 01:01:52,557 accept life in all its diversity, 730 01:01:52,677 --> 01:01:55,546 and accept those you love while they are with you. 731 01:02:04,903 --> 01:02:06,081 - Eat. 732 01:02:06,201 --> 01:02:08,599 - Sorry, I blinked. - It's OK. 733 01:02:08,719 --> 01:02:11,540 - Could you blink? - Yes. It won't be noticeable at three minutes. 734 01:02:11,660 --> 01:02:13,536 - Why didn’t you tell me? 735 01:02:14,464 --> 01:02:17,423 - Well, I didn’t say that you can’t blink... - Great... 736 01:02:27,925 --> 01:02:30,207 I'm very excited about the upcoming exhibition. 737 01:02:31,636 --> 01:02:33,790 It is important to have an exhibition in New York, 738 01:02:34,818 --> 01:02:37,896 especially in light of the events with the Trade Center towers, 739 01:02:38,016 --> 01:02:41,717 and all the issues with the search for the bodies of the dead that arose after that. 740 01:02:47,235 --> 01:02:49,753 This is an exhibition about something very important, 741 01:02:50,430 --> 01:02:53,331 it provokes, it has a hidden meaning. 742 01:02:58,140 --> 01:03:00,467 The exhibition is structured as a narrative, 743 01:03:00,587 --> 01:03:04,410 as a sequential discussion of death, decay, 744 01:03:04,530 --> 01:03:07,723 change in the state of the area due to contact with death, 745 01:03:08,503 --> 01:03:11,742 and in the center of the hall, surrounded by these gloomy photographs, 746 01:03:11,862 --> 01:03:13,810 there will be a table with portraits. 747 01:03:14,885 --> 01:03:16,088 As if floating... 748 01:03:16,692 --> 01:03:19,858 Ideally, I would like people to leave feeling uplifted, 749 01:03:20,447 --> 01:03:22,434 with a feeling of hope. 750 01:03:23,568 --> 01:03:26,735 So that these living faces will be their last impression 751 01:03:26,855 --> 01:03:28,695 from an exhibition about death. 752 01:03:41,607 --> 01:03:45,076 You see, I’m not at all sure that the audience will understand me. 753 01:03:45,196 --> 01:03:49,095 People might just come in and scratch their heads and say, "What does this all mean?!" 754 01:03:56,873 --> 01:04:00,701 Four months before the opening, Pace Gallery decided to cancel the exhibition. 755 01:04:07,089 --> 01:04:08,974 - I was just rolled out!.. 756 01:04:11,006 --> 01:04:12,861 I don’t even know what to say!.. 757 01:04:13,427 --> 01:04:15,283 I just dropped my head on the table... 758 01:04:16,358 --> 01:04:17,815 And she just burst into tears. 759 01:04:18,364 --> 01:04:20,720 I'm shaking... I don't know what to do. 760 01:04:23,341 --> 01:04:26,477 It looks like they just realized they couldn't make money from it. 761 01:04:26,597 --> 01:04:29,652 I knew about it from the moment I took the first photo. 762 01:04:30,265 --> 01:04:31,531 But this... 763 01:04:32,459 --> 01:04:34,329 It was an important exhibition... 764 01:04:34,668 --> 01:04:36,861 But they decided that they couldn't sell it, 765 01:04:39,455 --> 01:04:41,060 and decided not to get involved. 766 01:04:41,987 --> 01:04:44,107 Yes, it's time to collect your belongings... 767 01:04:45,970 --> 01:04:49,106 Nobody needs me! I'm an abandoned child!.. 768 01:04:56,986 --> 01:04:59,147 How stupid, how humiliating... 769 01:05:01,253 --> 01:05:02,166 Mother of them! 770 01:05:07,224 --> 01:05:09,123 You're losing confidence... 771 01:05:10,654 --> 01:05:12,701 Maybe it's just me who thinks it's important?.. 772 01:05:13,614 --> 01:05:15,808 Maybe this is important, but no one is interested?.. 773 01:05:17,237 --> 01:05:19,431 Or maybe no one should see this?.. 774 01:05:19,726 --> 01:05:22,126 Maybe it's four years wasted, I don't know... 775 01:05:23,745 --> 01:05:24,761 Lord!.. 776 01:05:27,340 --> 01:05:29,077 I'll be crying all day... 777 01:05:57,204 --> 01:06:01,371 “In fact, Peter McGill, the director of the Pace Gallery, was always afraid of my work. 778 01:06:01,491 --> 01:06:04,257 I came to him with family photos, remember... 779 01:06:05,046 --> 01:06:06,577 I chose the best 780 01:06:06,697 --> 01:06:08,891 "Emmett's Last Nude", "Jesse's Bite", 781 01:06:09,730 --> 01:06:11,659 I picked it out of a huge box... 782 01:06:11,954 --> 01:06:15,203 And he didn’t want to get involved with them until sales began to grow... 783 01:06:16,344 --> 01:06:17,963 And then he stopped being afraid of them. 784 01:06:20,525 --> 01:06:22,660 The gallery world is very fickle. 785 01:06:23,923 --> 01:06:27,752 No one is the center of attention there for long, everything is constantly changing. 786 01:06:28,580 --> 01:06:31,044 I'm probably already a dead commodity now. 787 01:06:52,032 --> 01:06:54,418 October 2003 788 01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,333 - There is no fog... - Yes, it has cleared up. 789 01:07:19,795 --> 01:07:20,988 - Hello, baby! 790 01:07:45,659 --> 01:07:48,428 — Do you still need a Volvo? Do you have a pickup truck... - Yes. 791 01:07:49,106 --> 01:07:52,022 - For what? - Well, this is a good car... 792 01:07:52,419 --> 01:07:54,341 I'm concerned about the insurance issue... 793 01:07:56,500 --> 01:07:58,119 How much will it cost... 794 01:07:59,091 --> 01:08:01,211 Because now I have the Internet, 795 01:08:02,728 --> 01:08:04,171 expenses have increased... 796 01:08:08,201 --> 01:08:10,557 — How are things going with art? - No way. 797 01:08:12,397 --> 01:08:13,119 - Come on!.. 798 01:08:16,638 --> 01:08:18,523 To hell with everything and I'll take care of the horses. 799 01:08:19,001 --> 01:08:20,967 Horses make a lot more sense. 800 01:08:21,582 --> 01:08:23,580 - Next exhibition... - Oh, I don’t know... 801 01:08:25,584 --> 01:08:26,520 Come to me! 802 01:08:34,109 --> 01:08:36,593 I would love to exhibit it in a museum. 803 01:08:36,713 --> 01:08:39,264 Most likely, this is where this work belongs. 804 01:08:39,384 --> 01:08:41,877 Whether the museum will take me or not, that is the question. 805 01:08:44,171 --> 01:08:46,291 This is not such a simple exhibition, 806 01:08:46,411 --> 01:08:49,207 and museums don’t have much money, they need a sponsor. 807 01:08:51,352 --> 01:08:54,120 I might have to come to terms with the fact 808 01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:56,770 that these works will never be exhibited. 809 01:08:58,752 --> 01:09:00,519 Well, if so... 810 01:09:01,505 --> 01:09:04,539 I do this because I feel like I have to. 811 01:09:33,061 --> 01:09:35,976 In my opinion, “What Remains” is a very complex series of works. 812 01:09:37,242 --> 01:09:41,676 He asks serious questions, the answers to which many are simply not interested. 813 01:09:45,798 --> 01:09:47,701 Americans have a strange attitude towards death. 814 01:09:47,821 --> 01:09:50,558 They think she's disgusting and terrible 815 01:09:50,678 --> 01:09:54,239 they are scared and want to get it all out of their sight as far as possible. 816 01:09:55,707 --> 01:09:58,372 Hide it in a hospice, close the coffin. 817 01:09:59,535 --> 01:10:02,392 They don't want to acknowledge it as an organic part of life. 818 01:10:31,123 --> 01:10:33,741 - Of course, I'm upset by Pace's refusal, 819 01:10:33,861 --> 01:10:36,244 but we must continue anyway. 820 01:10:37,461 --> 01:10:40,803 Like a bird flying onto a window pane, at first... 821 01:10:42,497 --> 01:10:43,689 And then, just... 822 01:10:44,646 --> 01:10:46,899 You get up, get ready, dust yourself off... 823 01:10:47,019 --> 01:10:49,805 You look to see if you've broken anything, and get back to work. 824 01:11:06,838 --> 01:11:09,597 Six months later 825 01:11:36,774 --> 01:11:39,528 — I found just a wonderful place for an exhibition, 826 01:11:39,648 --> 01:11:44,077 You just can’t imagine anything better, it’s as if it was created for such work. 827 01:11:46,885 --> 01:11:50,375 And this is a great national museum, the Corcoran in Washington. 828 01:11:51,980 --> 01:11:55,018 I'm sure it wasn't easy to persuade the board of trustees, 829 01:11:55,138 --> 01:11:57,003 and there will be no sponsors... 830 01:11:57,709 --> 01:11:59,624 Who would want to sponsor an exhibition about death? 831 01:12:00,051 --> 01:12:01,317 The Grim Reaper himself? 832 01:12:10,822 --> 01:12:12,883 Only one thing is not very good - 833 01:12:13,003 --> 01:12:16,600 everyone needs an exhibition in New York, it is the center of the art universe. 834 01:12:17,500 --> 01:12:19,944 Of course I'm still upset 835 01:12:20,064 --> 01:12:23,390 my hopes were disappointed, but everything turned out for the better. 836 01:12:23,861 --> 01:12:26,320 But the place suits me, because I'm a Southerner, 837 01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:29,245 and this is one of the predominantly “southern” museums, 838 01:12:30,202 --> 01:12:32,858 and, importantly, my friends here in Lexington, 839 01:12:32,978 --> 01:12:35,906 whom I have known all my life will also be able to come. 840 01:12:36,408 --> 01:12:38,985 But they wouldn’t be able to go to the exhibition in New York. 841 01:12:46,732 --> 01:12:48,852 Washington, DC 842 01:13:32,081 --> 01:13:34,437 - Wonderful exhibition! - Thank you! 843 01:13:34,557 --> 01:13:36,999 - How do you like it here? - Just kidding, it’s just wonderful!.. 844 01:13:44,912 --> 01:13:48,358 For me, this exhibition is the real culmination of my career. 845 01:13:49,661 --> 01:13:52,282 Maybe, of course, there will be something else later, 846 01:13:52,402 --> 01:13:56,529 as complete and impeccably organized as this exhibition, but... 847 01:13:59,098 --> 01:14:01,822 ...If I don’t have another exhibition, that will suit me. 848 01:14:01,942 --> 01:14:04,104 It was so important to me. 849 01:14:05,209 --> 01:14:07,661 Sally Mann takes on the topic of death 850 01:14:08,862 --> 01:14:11,336 Photographic study of death 851 01:14:12,646 --> 01:14:15,621 New works by Sally Mann: Death Follows 852 01:14:16,681 --> 01:14:19,257 Photographs that sink into the soul, often devoid of life 853 01:14:28,809 --> 01:14:32,637 At the end of the project I don't feel relieved or relaxed, 854 01:14:32,757 --> 01:14:36,067 which everyone thinks must come, 855 01:14:36,647 --> 01:14:39,607 Quite the contrary, I'm incredibly worried 856 01:14:39,727 --> 01:14:42,964 and exhausted, which is the strangest thing. 857 01:14:43,877 --> 01:14:47,057 And it seems that it is simply impossible to shoot again. 858 01:14:51,433 --> 01:14:54,802 But, as Hemingway wrote in "A Feast That's Always With You," 859 01:14:54,922 --> 01:14:58,195 when you're at a dead end and don't know where to start, 860 01:14:58,315 --> 01:15:01,462 write one sentence that you are absolutely sure of. 861 01:15:01,582 --> 01:15:03,387 And it's the same with photography. 862 01:15:03,507 --> 01:15:06,673 You just need to set up the camera and take one photo. 863 01:15:07,836 --> 01:15:09,809 It doesn't matter what you shoot. 864 01:15:21,327 --> 01:15:24,760 Recently I have been working on a series of close-up self-portraits. 865 01:15:27,289 --> 01:15:30,396 Nothing definite, I don’t even really know why I need them... 866 01:15:31,088 --> 01:15:34,047 It would probably be worth knowing... Probably just because I can... 867 01:15:35,314 --> 01:15:38,715 ...And because when I have no one to pose for, there is always me. 868 01:15:49,929 --> 01:15:52,888 I'm always on the move, always busy with something... 869 01:15:54,804 --> 01:15:58,632 It’s not often that I just lie completely still. 870 01:15:59,324 --> 01:16:02,092 And that’s exactly what you need to do, for six minutes straight. 871 01:16:05,853 --> 01:16:08,884 This is useful for people of my character, 872 01:16:09,004 --> 01:16:11,536 force yourself to stand still. 873 01:16:42,631 --> 01:16:46,113 When you take a self-portrait, you immerse yourself in a special state, 874 01:16:46,819 --> 01:16:49,602 you almost lose your sense of self. 875 01:16:51,683 --> 01:16:55,202 You try not to blink, so everything starts to swim before your eyes, 876 01:16:55,322 --> 01:16:57,925 As they usually say, time seems to slow down... 877 01:17:04,313 --> 01:17:08,127 Consciousness brings out pieces of your past, present, 878 01:17:10,611 --> 01:17:15,075 and they all curl in front of you, intertwining into a bizarre fabric, 879 01:17:15,855 --> 01:17:18,182 faded in several places. 880 01:18:25,478 --> 01:18:27,967 Director Stephen Cantor 881 01:18:30,190 --> 01:18:32,870 Editor Pax Wassermann 882 01:18:34,656 --> 01:18:36,968 Cinematographer Paul Dokuchitz 883 01:18:38,348 --> 01:18:43,040 Producers: Steven Cantor, Daniel Leikind, Pax Wassermann, Mandy Stein 884 01:18:47,122 --> 01:18:49,565 Executive Producer Susan Jordes 885 01:18:53,893 --> 01:18:55,835 Composers: Billy Cote, Mary Lorson 886 01:20:18,248 --> 01:20:21,808 Russian text: Alexander Mamontov alex@mamontoff.ru 887 01:20:21,928 --> 01:20:24,805 Commercial use of these subtitles without the permission of the author is prohibited.